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melissa: would you rather we went over the fiscal cliff? >> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if w went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk term for automatic reductions in the growth of spending. melissa: absolutely but i'm not sure republicans are giving in as much as you think. ifou drill down on the details, as soon as i saw 800 billion in new x revenue, my immediate question did they give on the point of marginal rat d from the language it doesn't look like. more a tax code basically closes loopholes. they employ all the euphemisms to say you will get rid of deductions. sounds like that is where the 800 billion in new revenue isoming from. they didn't give on marginal rates at all. >> that
melissa: would you rather we went over the fiscal cliff? >> compared to what obama's talking about, the fiscal cliff might be better because obama not only wants soak the rich tax increases that would automatically happen, he then wants additional taxes on top of that would be very bad for american competitiveness. we don't want to send jobs to china and india but almost as if obama wants to do that. at least if w went over the cliff, we would get the sequester, which is the budget wonk...
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. >>> the market does remain laser focused on the fiscal cliff, with just 27 days to go and less for the official congressional session. president obama and john boehner making comments on the issue a short time ago and according to our deal meter, there it is, still only a quarter of the way there. we have got all sides of this story covered. john harwood live at the white house. eamon javers on capitol hill and the president's comments. >> the president gave an interview to our colleagues at bloomberg and said a couple of things. first of all, his priorities now trying to break republicans in their resistance to raising the top rate by some amount, a stance republicans have been consistent on. more revenue, question, not higher rates, he is insisting on that as the price of negotiating with him. and he said the reason for that is if you take all of what can be raised in revenue from deductions that is politically realistic, not trying to take away the mortgage deduction in the face of tremendous resistance from consumers and the housing industry, you can only raise about 300 to $40
. >>> the market does remain laser focused on the fiscal cliff, with just 27 days to go and less for the official congressional session. president obama and john boehner making comments on the issue a short time ago and according to our deal meter, there it is, still only a quarter of the way there. we have got all sides of this story covered. john harwood live at the white house. eamon javers on capitol hill and the president's comments. >> the president gave an interview to our...
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and i'm talking about the fiscal cliff now. i wonder if you were at 25% of gdp, if the government had grown to this size where it is right now and you were trying to figure out how to deal with it and you were in charge, would it be all about -- would the first thing you come up with be raising taxes? would not -- wouldn't you address the spending -- wouldn't you address the spending side of -- >> right. >> -- and, you know, the republicans are trying to criticize the obama proposals by saying you're not cutting spending, you're not coming to us on entitlements, but it's falling flat. no one's really listening and the white house has controlled the debate that it's all about the upper 2%. the first thing in texas you do is shrink the size of government, wouldn't you? >> well, we did that. we faced a substantial budget shortfall. we have a constitutional amendment that requires us to have a balanced budget, which frankly america needs that. >> i don't know what would happen. >> most states have that. >> the states that are -- i
and i'm talking about the fiscal cliff now. i wonder if you were at 25% of gdp, if the government had grown to this size where it is right now and you were trying to figure out how to deal with it and you were in charge, would it be all about -- would the first thing you come up with be raising taxes? would not -- wouldn't you address the spending -- wouldn't you address the spending side of -- >> right. >> -- and, you know, the republicans are trying to criticize the obama...
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tell me about energy policy and where it fits in with the fiscal cliff. what we will spend money on and how we were tightened our belts. >> the major place it fits is the right policy would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue. that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't spend much money on energy. energy research is about $6 billion a year. i would like to see it doubled. this report is a blueprint for independence and i think it is the right blueprint. we are not in a position to be held hostage by anybody. it also focuses on find more and use less. what we can do in the federal government is i think invest in research and getting a 500-mile battery for electric cars and getting solar energy that is 1 kilowatt installed and finding a way to capture carbon from coal plants that can be turned into fuel that is commercially sold. we should look at the model of unconventional gas in terms of how our system and federal research and our system of private properties have produced a situation where we have a massiv
tell me about energy policy and where it fits in with the fiscal cliff. what we will spend money on and how we were tightened our belts. >> the major place it fits is the right policy would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue. that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't spend much money on energy. energy research is about $6 billion a year. i would like to see it doubled. this report is a blueprint for independence and i think it is the...
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this morning we also had a look at the fiscal cliff. host: we're looking at different pass expects of the fiscal cliff. today we turn our attention to the alternative minimum tax and the patch that could come from congress if they're able to work out a deal. if they do nothing this will impact 30 million americans. joining to us discuss is georgetown law's john buckley. thank you for being here. john buckley, let's begin. what is the alternative minimum tax? guest: in very simple terms, the alternative minimum tax requires you to pay the greater of what you pay under the regular income tax or what you would compute under the minimum tax which has a slightly broader base. it disallows some deductions that would be allowed in the regular tax. in some respects it's very similar to cap on itemized deductions that's currently being discussed. rather than directly attack preferences in expenditures it essentially puts an overall cap on benefit. there's no new ideas in this debate. the cap bears a very strong relationship to how the alternativ
this morning we also had a look at the fiscal cliff. host: we're looking at different pass expects of the fiscal cliff. today we turn our attention to the alternative minimum tax and the patch that could come from congress if they're able to work out a deal. if they do nothing this will impact 30 million americans. joining to us discuss is georgetown law's john buckley. thank you for being here. john buckley, let's begin. what is the alternative minimum tax? guest: in very simple terms, the...
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they avoid the fiscal cliff. we are talking about over $607 billion worth of money taken out of the economy next year. lou: i just want to put up the next cartoon that we have. it matters not which one you select. but this is one of my favorites. the debt commission saying it is very difficult. is very complicated and then cut spending. i don't think you could have cut better on to the essence of the issue. the absurdity creating obstacles to that resolution in washington d.c. >> but the problem here is that frankly there is a fine and out of capital that can be used up their divided either in the private sector which creates businesses and jobs and federal revenue or given to the government which is just a bureaucracy and creates nothing but bureaucratic management. if you look at the last gop congress and the expenditures, about two and half trillion dollars and now the president's proposals are about 4 trillion in spending with deficits and increased. it is the economy. lou: it truly is. and i want to also if
they avoid the fiscal cliff. we are talking about over $607 billion worth of money taken out of the economy next year. lou: i just want to put up the next cartoon that we have. it matters not which one you select. but this is one of my favorites. the debt commission saying it is very difficult. is very complicated and then cut spending. i don't think you could have cut better on to the essence of the issue. the absurdity creating obstacles to that resolution in washington d.c. >> but the...
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i want to first it your idea of what you think of the fiscal cliff. you have tough find this to be rich father. >> absolutely. i always suggest, but the best tag riders in the world work for politicians. this white hse is giving me plenty of fodder forcurtains. and it is funny to think about these events, but a very traumatic and seious. they avoid the fiscal clff. we are talking about over $607 billion worth of money taken out of the economyext year. lou: i just want to put up the next cartoon that we have. it matters not which one you select. but this is one of my favorites. the debt commission saying it is verydifficult. is very complicated and then cut spending. i don't think you could have cut better on to the essence of the issue. the absurdity creating obstacles to that resolution in washington d.c. >> but the problem here is that frankly there is a fine and out capital that can be used up their divided either in the private sector which reates businesses and jobs and federal revenue or given to the government which is just a bureaucracy and cr
i want to first it your idea of what you think of the fiscal cliff. you have tough find this to be rich father. >> absolutely. i always suggest, but the best tag riders in the world work for politicians. this white hse is giving me plenty of fodder forcurtains. and it is funny to think about these events, but a very traumatic and seious. they avoid the fiscal clff. we are talking about over $607 billion worth of money taken out of the economyext year. lou: i just want to put up the next...
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the 2% is part of the fiscal cliff, sequestration due to the fiscal cliff. melissa: at the same time these doctors at end of the day end up paying higher income tax after what they're making at work is cut. when they get home and the government comes back and takes a bigger bite. >> melissa, your viewers many already faced with this $250,000 or above tax that is going to occur if this isn't solved. i want to point out physicians this is gross figure, many physicians have a lot of expenses hidden in that. they're not making $250,000. the cost of machinery. cost of tests. cost of keeping offices open. every small business has the problem. doctors will get in the position to say wait a minute, i can't afford to take care of those patients. maybe they go to the hospital. melissa: on top of all that the doctors are affected by the health care act's restrictions. >> they will not be able to offer certain technological solutions because insurance won't pay for it. i want to order that test but insurance won't pay. i'm still liable even if i can't order it. obamacar
the 2% is part of the fiscal cliff, sequestration due to the fiscal cliff. melissa: at the same time these doctors at end of the day end up paying higher income tax after what they're making at work is cut. when they get home and the government comes back and takes a bigger bite. >> melissa, your viewers many already faced with this $250,000 or above tax that is going to occur if this isn't solved. i want to point out physicians this is gross figure, many physicians have a lot of expenses...
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i think you need a fiscal cliff resolution there. if you get to 1500 to see an additional 100 points from there i think is doable. >> i would have felt better if you said 1475 in six months and 1575 end of the year. yeah, 1600 is great in the first half of 2013, but the concern he has is on the back half of 2013. that's a bigger problem. i think that's the headline. >> up next on "halftime" hold them or fold them? three winning stocks and whether it's time to let them go. plus the ceo of ethan allen weighs in on the decision to offer a special dividend as fiscal cliff worries grow. amerie in charge of their own future. how they'll live tomorrow. for more than 116 years, ameriprise financial has worked for their clients' futures. helping millions of americans retire on their terms. when they want. where they want. doing what they want. ameriprise. the strength of a leader in retirement planning. the heart of 10,000 advisors working with you one-to-one. together for your future. ♪ thor gets great rewards for his small business! your
i think you need a fiscal cliff resolution there. if you get to 1500 to see an additional 100 points from there i think is doable. >> i would have felt better if you said 1475 in six months and 1575 end of the year. yeah, 1600 is great in the first half of 2013, but the concern he has is on the back half of 2013. that's a bigger problem. i think that's the headline. >> up next on "halftime" hold them or fold them? three winning stocks and whether it's time to let them go....
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has made a counteroffer to the white house on the fiscal cliff and the endless conversation continues today with president obama giving his first post-election one on one interview here's a snippet i think the issue right away and when will the two of you sit down in around the world i don't think they'll be assured now it has to do with sitting in a room. there was plenty of that throughout the interview but do these twenty four seven deficit debates do you want to undermine perceptions of america and the dollars position in the international monetary system then they do to address the nation's growing debt we'll discuss uncle sam's exorbitant privilege despite the budget woes and assess the competitive currency landscape plus the dollar fell against other currencies to a six week low this morning according to reuters which cited concerns over a fiscal cliff deal but what does this so-called dollar index really gauge when it comes to the greenbacks true value will break it down and word of the day and paying people to track the comings and goings of private corporate jets in the big
has made a counteroffer to the white house on the fiscal cliff and the endless conversation continues today with president obama giving his first post-election one on one interview here's a snippet i think the issue right away and when will the two of you sit down in around the world i don't think they'll be assured now it has to do with sitting in a room. there was plenty of that throughout the interview but do these twenty four seven deficit debates do you want to undermine perceptions of...
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talk about indecisiveness, does this all fiscal cliff worries? >> it is a double-edged sword as far as the market. you can make a pretty good case for the fact that the market has come in here with all the uncertainty around the fiscal clef. if i were a betting man which i am not, i don't like to take risks but if i were a betting man i would bet the market is trending lower and under a lot of pressure because of the uncertainty generated around the fiscal cliff and the other side of that equation is folks will tell you and i have set a hundred times the markets don't lie and markets see something the financial press and the rest of us don't see because they hang in here. i don't understand it. we should be trading below, just like gold is puzzling. liz: interesting point. is puzzling, when you look at the intraday chart whether it is the dow or the and the crossing the flat line over and over why are the moves so shallow to the upside or downside. a couple points up and down and no real conviction on either side. does that happen next week? >> w
talk about indecisiveness, does this all fiscal cliff worries? >> it is a double-edged sword as far as the market. you can make a pretty good case for the fact that the market has come in here with all the uncertainty around the fiscal clef. if i were a betting man which i am not, i don't like to take risks but if i were a betting man i would bet the market is trending lower and under a lot of pressure because of the uncertainty generated around the fiscal cliff and the other side of that...
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fiscal cliff. i think people know there will be some type of resolution. we didn't know the details or when. but companies are still investing the way they would normally do and they're not stopping because of -- >> that doesn't make us quake a bit about the jobs report later this will week and what that does for investors' nerves? >> we know it will be worse than it would have been because of super storm sandy. so you didn't know how much it was to do with that and how much was the economy. so it will be a bit of a wash in terms of reading the tea leaves for the u.s. >> so the growth picture for the u.s., we sort of 1%, 2%, depending on what happens with the fiscal cliff. what do you think, 2.5%? >> yeah, i think we should be 2.5% to 3% by the end of next year. >> which might be a slightly better outturn. china seems to be back on track. is there anything in europe -- what's the tail risk at the moment? >> i think there's two things that could still go wrong in europe. one, there's always politica
fiscal cliff. i think people know there will be some type of resolution. we didn't know the details or when. but companies are still investing the way they would normally do and they're not stopping because of -- >> that doesn't make us quake a bit about the jobs report later this will week and what that does for investors' nerves? >> we know it will be worse than it would have been because of super storm sandy. so you didn't know how much it was to do with that and how much was the...
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fiscal cliff. our guest is republican representative tom cole of oklahoma, a member of the appropriations and budget committee. also joined by georgetown university tax law professor john buckley on how the alternative minimum tax is affecting fiscal negotiations. "washington journal" is next. ♪ ♪ host: 25 days to go before the united states faces the fiscal cliff, the white house has rejected a proposal from house republicans to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts at the end of the year. no formal talks between the two sides are scheduled today. will go outside the nation's capital to get your voice involved. republicans -- democrats -- independents -- send us a tweet, post your comments on facebook, or send us an e-mail. we begin with some of the papers across the country today and how this latest proposal from house republicans is playing out in the papers. courtesy of "the atlantic journal-constitution" -- here is "the denver post" -- finally, here is "of the arizona republic" -- here is "t
fiscal cliff. our guest is republican representative tom cole of oklahoma, a member of the appropriations and budget committee. also joined by georgetown university tax law professor john buckley on how the alternative minimum tax is affecting fiscal negotiations. "washington journal" is next. ♪ ♪ host: 25 days to go before the united states faces the fiscal cliff, the white house has rejected a proposal from house republicans to prevent tax hikes and spending cuts at the end of...
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this is all about the fiscal cliff. we keep saying over and over it is boring but these guys have to get some resolution. tracy: what is the consensus of people you are speaking to on the telephone on wall street? did in come to some bipartisan agreement? >> no they don't and they're getting angry. [talking over each other] tracy: the rates go up essentially? nicole: special dividends tell you companies and a lot of them have been down in washington recently thinking this is not going to happen. they are declaring dividends ahead of a little bit. the general consensus, market's going to stay where it they are, this is a headline driven market. the flavor of the day is going to be where we are and that is why you will not see reinvestment. this is a trader's market. nicole: a lot of stories stocks will looking at with earnings and such but the big picture -- >> you can still make monee somewhere. nicole: if you pick the stocks. [talking over each other] tracy: see you in 15 minutes. ashley: crude oil futures at $88.50 a
this is all about the fiscal cliff. we keep saying over and over it is boring but these guys have to get some resolution. tracy: what is the consensus of people you are speaking to on the telephone on wall street? did in come to some bipartisan agreement? >> no they don't and they're getting angry. [talking over each other] tracy: the rates go up essentially? nicole: special dividends tell you companies and a lot of them have been down in washington recently thinking this is not going to...
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>> it all depends on what happens with the fiscal cliff. right now, there's boehner yelled out by his own party, the conservative part of the wing, and also the left. he's in a really, really tight spot and an ultimate binary trade. if something good happens, we'll rocket higher. if something bad happens, expect the worst right now. that's the thing right now. it's a yes or no trade. liz: congressional know it all at fox news calls it rrpublican on republican violence. hard to get a deal in the own party, special interests, the markets, whatever happens, we want to make money. where did you see the flows today? >> -- >> just a sec. we picked through the numbers, the stock is falling, of course, i'm sure making the shorts happy. clearly, looking at the stock, again, it had been up for the past two and a half weeks, but it's gotten hammered since the six month high reached six months ago. larry, quickly, though, where were the flows today that you saw? >> not many at all. i think people are talking about putting money into financials and mate
>> it all depends on what happens with the fiscal cliff. right now, there's boehner yelled out by his own party, the conservative part of the wing, and also the left. he's in a really, really tight spot and an ultimate binary trade. if something good happens, we'll rocket higher. if something bad happens, expect the worst right now. that's the thing right now. it's a yes or no trade. liz: congressional know it all at fox news calls it rrpublican on republican violence. hard to get a deal...
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the fiscal cliff. two former governors will offer their perspective. plus, more on what bank of america's brian moynihan told becky this morning. more "squawk on the street" in just a moment. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. you can stay in and share something... ♪ ♪ ...or you can get out there with your friends and actually share something. ♪ the lexus december to remember sales event is on, offering some of our best values of the year. this is the pursuit of perfection. offering some of our best values of the year. i have obligations. cute tobligations, but obligations.g. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your
the fiscal cliff. two former governors will offer their perspective. plus, more on what bank of america's brian moynihan told becky this morning. more "squawk on the street" in just a moment. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your...
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in our cover story, house republicans' counter-offer in fiscal cliff negotiations with president obama takes away a white house argument that the republicans have no plan and puts medicare on the table for discussion. the republican counter-offer would raise $800 billion through tax reform and cut $600 billion from federal health programs, including raising medicare eligibility, another $600 billion cut from mandatory and discretionary spending, and factor inflation less in calculating social security benefits. "what we're putting forth is a credible plan that deserves serious consideration by the white house." in a three-page letter to the president calling democratic gains in the senate and mr. obama's victory a "status quo election," the republican proposal would raise half the amount as the president's plan and save $350 billion from medicare and medicaid. however, at the chicago fed, a gathering of 39 individuals from banking and manufacturing industries - including automakers and other sectors - say the economy is strong enough - barely - to withstand either party's direction. "t
in our cover story, house republicans' counter-offer in fiscal cliff negotiations with president obama takes away a white house argument that the republicans have no plan and puts medicare on the table for discussion. the republican counter-offer would raise $800 billion through tax reform and cut $600 billion from federal health programs, including raising medicare eligibility, another $600 billion cut from mandatory and discretionary spending, and factor inflation less in calculating social...
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the fiscal cliff could be a big deal. i'm going to put it in an amusing way, it is the need to get out of your mother in law's house. pretty intuitive concept when you think about it. we have a break here. because the market is so darn tough. and that could be your chance for the analysts. here is the bottom line. we need hope to be van switkwis. he so that it is so negative. have them leave the room. and we can return to the growth themes and they are autos and homes. by them on the way down and never on the way down as the scared sellers buy them out. you can take your time. who the heck knows when and from what level you can get back in. why don't we go to tom in new york. >> big lots and slower same store sales and make it a buy. it had it's gob and i don't want you to come in now. i think that big lots is not a great operator. the market needs to free itself from the notion that there will be a deal. that is what needs to happen. take your time. this hope is still not dashed enough to make this market immune from mor
the fiscal cliff could be a big deal. i'm going to put it in an amusing way, it is the need to get out of your mother in law's house. pretty intuitive concept when you think about it. we have a break here. because the market is so darn tough. and that could be your chance for the analysts. here is the bottom line. we need hope to be van switkwis. he so that it is so negative. have them leave the room. and we can return to the growth themes and they are autos and homes. by them on the way down...
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>> the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> stephanie: yes. >> i love that they don't include the tax cuts for the middle class or the expiration for the bush tax cuts for the top 2%. and they are like here is our offer. if you are going to make a deal at least deal something somebody actually wants. >> yeah. >> stephanie: serious plan. they are like they won the election. >> it is totally farfetched and they are like i don't understand why he doesn't want it. >> stephanie: all right. here she is, jacki schechner in the current news. >> good morning. we already know that ashley judd can show a much wider range of emotion that some. she has been taking steps to assess her options when it comes to running for office. she is doing opposition research on herself to see where she might be most vulnerable. mcconnell will be running for his sixth term another option is to run against senator rand powell in 2016. there is a briefings tomorrow on the september 11th attack on our console consoleate attack in benghazi they the talking
>> the fiscal cliff negotiations? >> stephanie: yes. >> i love that they don't include the tax cuts for the middle class or the expiration for the bush tax cuts for the top 2%. and they are like here is our offer. if you are going to make a deal at least deal something somebody actually wants. >> yeah. >> stephanie: serious plan. they are like they won the election. >> it is totally farfetched and they are like i don't understand why he doesn't want it....
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stuart: the republicans submit their fiscal cliff solution. now, that plan put out by speaker boehner, includes 800 billion dollars in extra tax revenues and that would come from limiting deductions and not from higher tax rates. and there would also be 1.2 trillion dollars worth of spending cuts and the white house immediately dismissed that plan, saying, the lower tax rates for the rich and quote, fix the middle class with a bill. again, we come back to this. the main sticking point is the tax rate issue. the president insists more revenue comes from higher rates, not deduction limits. -pit's a standoff and it contins less than four weeks to go until the deadline. be careful what you say in a local police want a law, new law requiring that text messages be saved for two years. how do you feel about that? ever texted something you wish would go away right now? there is of course the privacy issue as well. well, here comes the judge. he will be new at 10 on this one. got it. shares of darden restaurants, they're down today and they're the comp
stuart: the republicans submit their fiscal cliff solution. now, that plan put out by speaker boehner, includes 800 billion dollars in extra tax revenues and that would come from limiting deductions and not from higher tax rates. and there would also be 1.2 trillion dollars worth of spending cuts and the white house immediately dismissed that plan, saying, the lower tax rates for the rich and quote, fix the middle class with a bill. again, we come back to this. the main sticking point is the...
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the fiscal cliff and our long-term deficit challenges. we have yet to see even an acknowledgment from republican leaders of the fundamental fact that there is no deal. that -- is no deal that does not include rates going up on top earners. as the president said in the interview you cited and as he has said before, he doesn't hold that position because it's inherently good. he doesn't hold it because he wants to punish wealthy americans, he holds it because it is mathematically sound. it is an absolute fact that there is no way to achee the kind of balance in a broad deficit reduction package, a balance that requires significant revenues without rates going up on top earners. you cannot achieve it through closing of loopholes or capping of deductions and you certainly can be the achieve it through the kind of vague proposal we've seen from republicans which contain no specificity whatsoever, not -- not a single deduction named or loophole identified to be closed. so rates have to go up. the president believes, and it's part of the proposal
the fiscal cliff and our long-term deficit challenges. we have yet to see even an acknowledgment from republican leaders of the fundamental fact that there is no deal. that -- is no deal that does not include rates going up on top earners. as the president said in the interview you cited and as he has said before, he doesn't hold that position because it's inherently good. he doesn't hold it because he wants to punish wealthy americans, he holds it because it is mathematically sound. it is an...
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we have to get past this fiscal cliff and move on. connell: we probably would be talking a lot more about china and the transition of power and how president obama is supposed to do without. when you say there are economy is not doing that great, does that mean it is in jeopardy of a tough all, or it will hang in there? >> i think it will hang in there. china, i think, will grow. reasonably, i have seen some analysts come out and be pretty bullish. their economy, the outlook is willing not that bright. although, they probably will not fall hard. china is sort of setting their status quo. i think the u.s., again, back to the u.s., they have to get their act together. connell: a few days after the end of the year. that is just silly, if you think about it. if we all know the answers, why do we have to wait until the new year. thank you very much. good to see you. dagen: as the nation waits on washington, what is really going on behind the scenes? brett fair on the timeline for a deal in d.c. the mississippi river will always have its ow
we have to get past this fiscal cliff and move on. connell: we probably would be talking a lot more about china and the transition of power and how president obama is supposed to do without. when you say there are economy is not doing that great, does that mean it is in jeopardy of a tough all, or it will hang in there? >> i think it will hang in there. china, i think, will grow. reasonably, i have seen some analysts come out and be pretty bullish. their economy, the outlook is willing...
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that was a good solid meeting discussing the fiscal cliff. i think the shared concerns of governors that we address are fiscal challenges in a way that ensures the economy continues to grow and create jobs. with that, i'll take your questions. >> thanks, jay. two questions. in the bloomberg interview, the president was asked whether tax rates on the wealthiest americans have to go to the clean ton levels, 39.6% now. is that a red line? he never answered it directly, a process where rates could go down next year as far as tax reform. you talked with fiscal rates need to go up. what he campaigned on was the 39.6 at the end of the year. is that the case? >> so, let me say this, the president has been absolutely clear, as have i, that rates have to go up on top earners, on millionaires and billionaires, those making over $250,000. the president made that clear all yearlong and clear in the post-election period being engaged in conversations with congress about how to deal with the fiscal cliff, and our long term deficit challenges. we have yet to
that was a good solid meeting discussing the fiscal cliff. i think the shared concerns of governors that we address are fiscal challenges in a way that ensures the economy continues to grow and create jobs. with that, i'll take your questions. >> thanks, jay. two questions. in the bloomberg interview, the president was asked whether tax rates on the wealthiest americans have to go to the clean ton levels, 39.6% now. is that a red line? he never answered it directly, a process where rates...
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. >> with 28 days left to come to a deal on the nation's fiscal cliff, the white house is holding firm on its proposal to raise taxes on the wealthy. spokesman jay carney. >> the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2% wealthiest americans. the math simply does not add up. >> ifill: the white house proposes raising $1.6 trillion in taxes over ten years, imposing higher rates on those making more than $250,000 a year. in a letter sent to the white house today, speaker of the house john boehner rejected the president's approach, writing that republicans cannot in good conscience agree to this approach which is neither balanced nor realistic. his counter-offer, save $2.2 trillion by among other things raising $800 billion in new revenues. the plan would also raise the future eligibility age for medicare and alter medicaid to save another $600 billion. the republican plan would not increase tax rates for the wealthy. the president is campaign
. >> with 28 days left to come to a deal on the nation's fiscal cliff, the white house is holding firm on its proposal to raise taxes on the wealthy. spokesman jay carney. >> the obstacle remains at this point the refusal to acknowledge by republican leaders that there is no deal that achieves the kind of balance that is necessary without raising rates on the top 2% wealthiest americans. the math simply does not add up. >> ifill: the white house proposes raising $1.6 trillion...
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that's the first part of the fiscal cliff. the second part of it is the spending decrease that this congress and the president agreed to the last summer to say we dramatically increase spending, we have to reduce that spending. that spending decrease that was agreed to had a deadline by the end of this year. if there didn't there would be across the board cuts. the house passed our spending decreases in may. the senate has yet to pass any. with that we're stuck with across-the-board cuts that will be in early january. and the tax rate for all americans. in 2001 and 2003 and then extended during the lame duck of 2010, every americans' tax rates were extended out to expire the 31st of december. every tax rate from the lowest to the highest is set to go up. some people see the problem is we're not taxing enough and so that solves the problem. to just go off the fiscal cliff and everyone will be taxed more. some say we don't take from some group and give to the other. some say go to the clinton tax rate. we had a booming economy a
that's the first part of the fiscal cliff. the second part of it is the spending decrease that this congress and the president agreed to the last summer to say we dramatically increase spending, we have to reduce that spending. that spending decrease that was agreed to had a deadline by the end of this year. if there didn't there would be across the board cuts. the house passed our spending decreases in may. the senate has yet to pass any. with that we're stuck with across-the-board cuts that...
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well, the fiscal cliff now. republicans are proposing a brand new plan to prevent the so-called falling off of that cliff. the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that are set to kick in on the first of the year. the proposal counters one from the white house which republics deemed a joke. the g.o.p. plan would at least for now extend the bush era tax cuts including those cuts for the wealthiest americans it proposes raising $800 billion from tax reform over the course of the decade. and includes more than a trillion dollars in spending cuts. but monday none of them he really detailed. in addition the plan called for changes to the so-called entitlement programs, increasing the eligibility age for medicare and lowering the annual cost of living hikes for social security hikes. flu our -- put theirs on the table and dared republicans to do the same. >> they have done that tonight. the officials saying that the counter offer is ridiculous. they are hammering the fact that there is not enough in terms of tax reve
well, the fiscal cliff now. republicans are proposing a brand new plan to prevent the so-called falling off of that cliff. the automatic tax hikes and spending cuts that are set to kick in on the first of the year. the proposal counters one from the white house which republics deemed a joke. the g.o.p. plan would at least for now extend the bush era tax cuts including those cuts for the wealthiest americans it proposes raising $800 billion from tax reform over the course of the decade. and...
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>> i actually think we are going to get a resolution to the fiscal cliff. i think it is going to come after we go over. >> we could maybe see the beginnings of the contour of an eventual agreement. i don't see how it comes before december 31. >> it doesn't sound like the sides are closer. >> it is not a plan to say we are going to magically reduce our increased revenue through loop hole closures and deduction caps. we don't know who pays or what we are talking about in terms of actual legislation to increase revenue. >> and the market is responding. maybe it is best to forget it and focus on stock picking. >> two-week low this morning and then huge 2.36 million block share trades come in. >> "fast money" right now. >>> live from the nasdaq market site in new york city's times square i'm melissa lee. first china conundrum. is the chinese recovery in recovery mode? a top strategist is digging through the data. hedgefund head winds are supposed to be some of the smartest on the street but 2012 has not been kind. find out if december will bring rebound or redem
>> i actually think we are going to get a resolution to the fiscal cliff. i think it is going to come after we go over. >> we could maybe see the beginnings of the contour of an eventual agreement. i don't see how it comes before december 31. >> it doesn't sound like the sides are closer. >> it is not a plan to say we are going to magically reduce our increased revenue through loop hole closures and deduction caps. we don't know who pays or what we are talking about in...
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now let's talk about the fiscal cliff. to use the words of john boehner, i'm flabbergasted. >> nowhere period. we're nowhere. i'm flabbergasted. he can't be serious. i'm serious about our debt. >> cenk: i can't wait to get serious on john bainer when we come back. and later in the program the elbow of the day who 12 on? guess at @tytoncurrent. this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot. understatement, so explain to me why that is. i think the mob learned from wall st., not vice versa. [ male announcer ] lifts to clear obstacles. ♪ ♪ lowers to cut drag. rises to every challenge. the class exclusive air suspension in the new 2013 ram 1500. engineered to move heaven and earth. guts. glory. ram. (vo) now, it's your turn. (vo) connect with the young turks with cenk uygur. >> it's go time. >> cenk: some had hopes that in a second term president obama would be more progressive because he wouldn't have to face re-election. i thought that was very u
now let's talk about the fiscal cliff. to use the words of john boehner, i'm flabbergasted. >> nowhere period. we're nowhere. i'm flabbergasted. he can't be serious. i'm serious about our debt. >> cenk: i can't wait to get serious on john bainer when we come back. and later in the program the elbow of the day who 12 on? guess at @tytoncurrent. this corruption based on corruption based on corruption. >>i think that's an understatement, eliot. u>> i'm not prone tot....
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to follow up on the fiscal cliff. you can solve this fiscal problem if you grow our role to position relative to everybody else's. a big problem is the percentage of government spending is more than its should be related to total gdp. if there is an easier for millet in the history of economics that -- formula ever in the history of america -- economics that more american energy equals more american jobs, i don't know what it is. it is all the jobs you have if you of a reliable supply of energy. the front page of the "the wall street journal" indicates a difficulty of connecting this cheap product we have in natural gas. we thought we would run out natural-gas as a country. connecting this cheap product with a more expensive market and getting it overseas. if we could become energy self- sufficient, that does not mean we would not buy on the world market, but if we could meet our needs in the north american markets, almost all of that money comes back to us. we have no better trading partner than canada. nafta has inc
to follow up on the fiscal cliff. you can solve this fiscal problem if you grow our role to position relative to everybody else's. a big problem is the percentage of government spending is more than its should be related to total gdp. if there is an easier for millet in the history of economics that -- formula ever in the history of america -- economics that more american energy equals more american jobs, i don't know what it is. it is all the jobs you have if you of a reliable supply of...
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tell me about energy policy and where it fits in with the fiscal cliff. what we will spend money on and how we were tightened our belts. >> the major place it fits is the right policy would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue. that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't
tell me about energy policy and where it fits in with the fiscal cliff. what we will spend money on and how we were tightened our belts. >> the major place it fits is the right policy would create an environment which would produce a lot more revenue. that would help to reduce the debt. the federal government doesn't
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and we have many in the news room so i'm sure you have seen them to fiscal cliff is still what is all over the place another day another minor development the g.o.p. set out its plan and president obama gave his first one on one interview which was focused on the fiscal cliff now this is framed as a domestic debate when we're sitting here in washington and looking at the headlines in u.s. papers on us t.v. screens but remember this is reaching far beyond the u.s. borders creating headlines internationally of u.s. budget woes it reminds me at least of the debt ceiling debate in two thousand and eleven that reverberated around the globe and amounted to the first downgrade of the u.s. is credit in history so given that we're going to look at the perspective internationally and what other countries and other international players are thinking as they're sitting there watching these budget debates and going hey i've got all of these dollars as reserves in my central bank and what does this say about the u.s. as a kind of the centerpiece of the global monetary system that everyone is counti
and we have many in the news room so i'm sure you have seen them to fiscal cliff is still what is all over the place another day another minor development the g.o.p. set out its plan and president obama gave his first one on one interview which was focused on the fiscal cliff now this is framed as a domestic debate when we're sitting here in washington and looking at the headlines in u.s. papers on us t.v. screens but remember this is reaching far beyond the u.s. borders creating headlines...
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so then on top of that you got to fiscal cliff discussions in washington where the president wants to raise the income tax on top earners by another 3% or so in addition to this, these taxes you and i were just discussing. >> yeah. and that's a crucial point, because obama has repeatedly said he wants to go back to clinton era rates, but that ignores this new surtax at the beginning of the year. if they take the top rate from 35 to 39.6, it'll actually be 43.4 on investment income because we'll have that additional surtax on top of that. so dividends, for instance, which are 15 now could be going all the way to 43.4 which could have a very negative impact on the stock market. megyn: so right now if you make money off dividends, which a lot of folks do. you know, it's not just the super rich who get dividend income from their stock investments, right now you pay a 15% tax on that, and president obama wants to change that to you should get taxed on that income as though it's your actual, like, salary. and if that, if he gets his way on that, then that income goes up to whatever your sal
so then on top of that you got to fiscal cliff discussions in washington where the president wants to raise the income tax on top earners by another 3% or so in addition to this, these taxes you and i were just discussing. >> yeah. and that's a crucial point, because obama has repeatedly said he wants to go back to clinton era rates, but that ignores this new surtax at the beginning of the year. if they take the top rate from 35 to 39.6, it'll actually be 43.4 on investment income because...
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it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward with more specifics? >> if i'm advising the president right now i'm advising him to wait a while. and that maybe when we get closer to the date, the calendar will concentrate the minds of many people in washington and a conversation will be more fruitful. >> all right. >> okay. eugene robinson, thank you. >>> still ahead, the former british prime minister tony blair joins us next. >>> and next, the "national journal's" ron fournier tells us his touching cover story next. you're watching "morning joe" brewed by starbucks. americans are always ready to
it's called the fiscal cliff. so, you know, in my darker moments, i think we're going over it, and what if we went over it and the world didn't end? that would be kind of interesting. we'd take a big bite out of the deficit and everybody's taxes would go up, but i think the sun would come up tomorrow. >> huh. >> we may find out. >> okay, little orphan annie. >> so, gene, do you think right now that's you advise the president to do if the republicans don't come forward...
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president, it's been almost three weeks since we all met with the president to avert that fiscal cliff that we hear so much about. yesterday, after weeks of delay, and as the days dwindle and taxes are set to go up for millions of families and businesses, republicans in the house finally showed up at the negotiating table. and now we know why they've been holding their cards so close it their vest. their proposal would raise taxes on millions of middle-class families. their plan to raise $800 billion in revenue by eliminating popular tax deductions and credits would reach deep into pockets of middle-class families. republicans are so intent on protecting low tax rates for millionaires and billionaires, they're willing to sacrifice middle-class families' economic security to do so. at the first of the year, middle-class families, will get an average of $200 i,200 in additional taxes they'll have to pay. their proposal was short on specifics but we do know from independent analysis that it is impossible to raise enough revenue and make a dent in our deficit without using one of two thing
president, it's been almost three weeks since we all met with the president to avert that fiscal cliff that we hear so much about. yesterday, after weeks of delay, and as the days dwindle and taxes are set to go up for millions of families and businesses, republicans in the house finally showed up at the negotiating table. and now we know why they've been holding their cards so close it their vest. their proposal would raise taxes on millions of middle-class families. their plan to raise $800...
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a silver coin. >> it's going over the fiscal cliff. >> up, up, up. up, up, up, into the hand. >> yea! >> penn, in your book you talk about you cry every day. >> all the time. >> why? >> i don't know. i think -- there's a quote by bob dylan, it frightens me the awful truth of how sweet life can be. since i had my children -- my children are young, 6 and 7. i no longer can tell whether i am crying from sadness or crying from joy. they seem exactly the same. the speed at which life is speeding by us, you know. i sometimes worry. maybe the obsession with atheism comes from the fact that i worry that people spend so much time thinking about the afterlife and worry about the supernatural, they miss the glory of every day that is to be exalted. every moment looking at my children, you know, i just, i feel that, that rush of moving a billion miles an hour through life. >> is is it, enjoy it? >> yeah, all we have is love, family, and the world around us. and you know that's enough. anything else. >> and play in las vegas. >> exactly. >> penn jillette, thank y
a silver coin. >> it's going over the fiscal cliff. >> up, up, up. up, up, up, into the hand. >> yea! >> penn, in your book you talk about you cry every day. >> all the time. >> why? >> i don't know. i think -- there's a quote by bob dylan, it frightens me the awful truth of how sweet life can be. since i had my children -- my children are young, 6 and 7. i no longer can tell whether i am crying from sadness or crying from joy. they seem exactly the...
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cliff now the common currency is climbing steadily really ever since the great buyback deal which calls the initial optimism and it has continued from there where the russian ruble finished the session stronger against the dollar but low against the strengthening ruble in moscow the markets finished up the session in negative territory as you can see just there under a percent but the r.t.s. and the mice and the fact that oil prices are going style there isn't really helping matters the you guys investors have always keep a close eye on lies. and moving on china has a posse u.s. as the leading trading partner in the world and done it in just five years the two biggest economies in the world have now switch places in terms of trade back in two thousand and six the u.s. was the largest for one hundred twenty seven countries versus seventy for china the latest figures show china is now the largest one hundred twenty four countries with just seventy six for the u.s. but the longevity of china's pace of growth has now been called into question and i asked yana from standard chartered what th
cliff now the common currency is climbing steadily really ever since the great buyback deal which calls the initial optimism and it has continued from there where the russian ruble finished the session stronger against the dollar but low against the strengthening ruble in moscow the markets finished up the session in negative territory as you can see just there under a percent but the r.t.s. and the mice and the fact that oil prices are going style there isn't really helping matters the you...
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cliff the common currency is still climbing steadily really ever since that greek buyback deal which calls the initial optimism and it just continued on from there whereas the russian ruble that this is not finished up today was stronger against the dollar and you can see against the euro back. here in moscow than the markets they finished up in negative territory today as you can see under a percent of the arts yes and the my sex the fact that oil prices are going south isn't really help me out not as investors always keep a close eye on those here in moscow. moving on then dreams of becoming the next james bond winning formula one or even designing your own fashion line may be on a typical aspiration list in most countries but here in russia jobs that people dream about on. far more modest according to the latest survey almost half of the russian population aspire to work for the biggest state run company gas brum so let's get over to the business but it's a now as you go to meet him and just there's so gas from where in the wrong place is the place to be a hair what is the most th
cliff the common currency is still climbing steadily really ever since that greek buyback deal which calls the initial optimism and it just continued on from there whereas the russian ruble that this is not finished up today was stronger against the dollar and you can see against the euro back. here in moscow than the markets they finished up in negative territory today as you can see under a percent of the arts yes and the my sex the fact that oil prices are going south isn't really help me...